trouble with R1 Amelie

yes it is common for PAL versions to be 4% longer than the NTSC version. Enf...

Yes, I understand that... 25/24 = 1.04 = 4% longer... but that doesn't really explain the chapter points being 6% longer. Again, Chapter 17 is the movie credits, which start at frame 169,128, but Chapter-X-Tractor is giving me a position of 180,078 for Chapter 17 which is beyond the end of the movie. Is this something anybody else has seen?

Here's the raw data... Remember this is the R1 version and it's 23.976 FPS with a running time of 2:01:51, but the IFO file shows the chapter points of the PAL version! Code:

So, DVD2AVI says the movie is 23.976 FPS FILM. The AVS file that I can look at in Media Player or Virtual Dub is 2:01:50.81 = 121.846 min = 175,284 frames. PowerDVD, my Sony standalone, and Chapter-X-tractor show the movie as being 2:09:27.73 = 129.462 min, and the movie actually takes 129 min to play, which implies it is playing at 22.566 FPS. If you set the framerate to 22.566, the length of the film will match the listed 2:09:27.73, but not one of the chapters will line up. It seems like it's not even just a framerate/conversion issue, either, because no amount of changing offsets/framerates will get the chapters working. For example, setting FPS Rate: 22.328 and Offset: 1421 in Chapter-X-tractor will get chapters 3 and 17 to line up, but none of the other chapters are in the right place. If you don't adjust the offset, you can't even get more than one chapter lined up. It doesn't seem like this could be just a "drop frame" problem or an NTSC/PAL conversion issue.

This also explains why i have been having a hell of a time trying to sync the subtitles on this:

Ok,i just finished reauthoring Amelie and the .ac3 file demuxed with VobEdit is 2.01.43.10 long and after a 3 pass CCE my completed 3.85GB .m2v is 2.01.43.13 in Maestro.This is what i had to do:In chapterextractor the ifo shows 2.09.27.73 so i adjusted by -465s but i still had to tweak the exact chapterpoints manually in Maestro.Then i made a .srt with subrip but that was 7.75s to long(i can't explain why)so i timestretched it by -7.75s and converted to a .stl file with sub2stl.exe and imported in Maestro(my Maestro will not accept .son files).I compiled(movie only) and got a 4.22GB movie that looks awesome with perfectly synched sound and subs(many rapidfire)and is in every respect as the original EXEPT it now clocks in at 2hrs. 1min. and 43sec. while the original dvd is 2h9m28s.I can't tell that any speedup has ocurred although it must have.Since this is a ntsc dvd i don't understand what happened.If you divide the original 7768sec. by the result 7303sec. you get 1.0637=6.37% shorter!

Thanks for the confirmation there... It's good to know I'm not completely insane. I figured I'd have to manually do the chapter points, and I thought that meant that the subs would never be in sync, but if you say matching the length fixes them that's good news. Before I spend a half hour picking through the movie and adjusting stuff, you wouldn't happen to have your adjusted .CHP file still lying around, would you?

Sorry,i delete everything when i have a complete dvd burned but it's easy to adjust chapterpoints in Maestro-just doubleclick the chaptermarkers and adjust.In fact,many times i just go through the movie and write in two columns: 1.05.13train station,1.12.28 cigarette counter etc.and make my own chapterlist and usually end up putting some extra chapters in for my personal enjoyment(little Amelie pulls antenna cable).