hi Ian, can you image the faces of the Boy Racers as you'd take off at the lights. must admit it might be worth it for that alone ;-D. the conversation might go ( in the suped up tin can ) driver to passenger " see that old lad,what a state in his brick " passenger to driver " lets wake the old f?@t up " driver builds the rev's-watches the lights-engages first- eyes's the brick- rev's start to climb to the red-line. lights go amber lights goes green driver " where the f### did he go , he wuz only there a second ago " Loud Bang as tin can explodes its engine. ah well we can all dream. regards ps Ian are trilbys required for 240 ownership ?